Rowan Jacobsen

Like, if you're a scientist, you want to do a study, you have to apply for a grant to get the money to do the study.

And there's generally a handful of entities that are, like, handing out the grant money.

And it's the old guys waiting to die who are going to approve what they think is the truth.

They're going to fund the study that fits with what they already know about the world.

So it's this kind of crazy system where the only way you can get money to do a study is if you're already telling them what they know.

So it's very difficult to get funded to do something that goes against the grain, increasingly so.

And that's a problem.

Yeah.

There's not just – it's very rare to find the individual who's well-known in the field and is eager to self-correct.

No, but I'd love to.

I have.

I've reached out and I get the boilerplate like –

We don't want anyone in the sun.

Take your D pills.

Doesn't matter.

And the one that really I think has got to change is the skin color question.

Because fine to go with the recommendations for avoiding sun for people with fair skin.

But for people with dark skin who have almost no risk from

from sun-induced skin cancer and can benefit hugely from things that will lower blood pressure and lower cardiovascular disease, it seems like you're not being fair to those people.

I think that gets underplayed.