Roxane Gay

After college, you ended up going to Columbia School of Journalism to get your master's degree.

And you've said it was a waste of money.

And I think most of us who have graduate degrees could probably say yes, 100%.

Why did you think you needed a master's degree to get into journalism?

Did you learn anything useful in grad school?

I can't believe he's doing that joke this many years later.

Of course, you know me.

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

You enjoy holding on to like these important things.

Now, you've been doing this for like almost, not almost, more than 30 years.

And you've written for any number of publications.

You've been talking to, for, and about these tech leaders.

And many people in many publications refer to you as the most feared and the most liked journalist in tech.

I'm not sure about the liked part, but okay.

How do you walk that line?

I'm from San Francisco.

It's fine.

Do you think that the kinds of people who are succeeding in tech are changing from that sort of man-child or woman-child to a lesser extent into smarter people, people who are perhaps genuinely more socially aware and understanding of the dangers of the web?

Now, is there a way to keep these kinds of billionaires in check?