Roxane Gay

Even though, I mean, like you said, Abby, I'm on your side.

Like I want you to thrive.

And I would love that we would live in a world where domestic labor is compensated, where women who choose or people who choose to stay at home and parent

are given retirement benefits that accrue, where they are insured to have some sort of compensation for all of that thankless and oftentimes invisible but necessary labor, and also to think about how they're going to age.

Not last time, but I think two or three times ago when I was in Australia, I did an event with Germaine Greer.

who is interesting.

But one of the things that Germaine said that was really interesting and important was that there are a lot of older women who are alone and in poverty and have no resources as they live out their elder years post being able to work.

And she was deeply concerned about this at the time.

Primarily, I think, because this was her new experience in life as she has aged into her elder years.

And so one of the key things that we have to do as feminists is figure out what are the ideas that we can put forward to make sure that we are actually protecting women in whatever choices, not whatever, but in some of the choices that they're making.

And I just don't even know how we begin to get there because at a societal level, people hate women.

People, frankly, hate children.

Yep.

And we see so many policies that reflect this hatred.

And it's really frustrating because...

On the one hand, conservatives are deeply concerned about the birth rate.

Oh, yes, but... But they don't want to do anything to support birth.

They don't want to make healthcare affordable in the United States.

They don't want to give women support with things like subsidized childcare, which should absolutely be a given in any functioning society.

And we also don't do anything to help educate children.