Ruben Gallego

And so...

You know, if you, you know, talking to some former Biden cabinet members and staff, one of the things they had a very huge internal problem was, is that there was no consistency or forceful immigration policy that made, that helped the Biden administration make decisions, right?

Instinctively, some of them knew that what was happening at the border was horrible.

They needed to come down and, you know, have enforcement done.

But they just didn't know how to do without having political blowout or fallback.

My contention to them last – November before the elections, November 2023, is that the blowback they're talking about doesn't exist.

The blowback is imaginary, which really surprised me that they just did not get that because –

What do you mean the blowback is imaginary?

They're definitely going to pick up and scream and they're going to get on Twitter and call you everything else like that.

But you're not going to get

punish at the polls for trying to bring chaos, the chaos down on the border, right?

But they just, there was no way for them to kind of feel that that was correct, even though I was on the same ballot and I was telling them like, no, no, no, no, this is what I'm doing.

And I'm hearing on the road, like what I'm saying is working.

You could do the same.

And they were looking for an out.

Let me tell you, because again, I was involved in all this.

When the Senate Democrats and Senate Republicans said, we're going to negotiate a deal, the Biden administration was so happy because now they got to give, take this issue away from them.

They didn't have to be the bad guy.

They were hoping that the Senate Republicans and Democrats would come up with a solution to the border.

And then it was a bipartisan solution.