Rudy Mawer

move forward.

But yeah, I think a lot of the time it's, you're right.

You have that group that are like, yeah, let's do it.

And then most are just like watching, right?

They're watching and they're seeing the way the tide goes, you know, and, and swaying them.

And, you know, I do think a big thing that sways them beyond obviously leadership, giving speeches is, is results, right?

Like I always talk results talk.

Yes.

So, you know, when people start to see the proofs in the pudding and, and,

And I think another good thing that I do as a leader, I think good leaders do is I'll always, I'll do whatever I make my staff do, right?

So I have Airbnb properties and real estate and I'll paint the walls and I'll move the boxes.

Good.

So a couple of last questions, more rapid fire for you.

Number one, I've always kind of joked around, like, I mean, if everyone in the population had to do a couple of years in the military, the population would be better or, you know, like more, more capable and more disciplined.

And, and obviously a lot of people would go back to their old ways, but do you think like within a couple of years, it does really teach some great core values for life?

Yeah, I'm not thinking more realistically, but I think it would be fascinating and I think it would wake a lot of people up, you know?

And, you know, when I go through hard times or I push people, I always quote, you know, I grew up and my parents would tell me my grandma made hand grenades during the war and my granddad was serving and fighting and they were living on bread, you know, and

I think now a lot of people are too afraid to put in the work, like I said earlier, and that's kind of where this whole idea came from.

But yes, the second question, what was it like getting the phone call to become the Secretary of Defense?

So you get the call, you walk away, tell the family, hey, I got a job.