Rula Hardal

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The Ezra Klein Show · A Radical Vision for Israelis and Palestinians · 7 Jul 2026 podcast

And I don't want to see that in the coming years when it comes to the whole Palestinian situation, because

What is threatened now, in a very direct, intensive way, since October 7th, is the collective political national being of the Palestinians in Palestine.

And I'm doing this work in order to just maybe save what is to save there.

If we don't offer new arrangements, new political vision,

If we don't see this very bad situation as an opportunity to start, I don't have any illusion.

I cannot promise anybody that this solution or any other solution, similar or different, is going to be implemented tomorrow or next year or I don't know when.

But history is not static.

And we cannot know now when this opening is going to come.

We Palestinians are not going to give up.

We are there and we insist to be there.

This is our place and we are going to continue to struggle.

I think both national movements, if we consider now for this two minutes, Zionism to be a national movement, and it is, but not only.

Yeah, but also Zionism has developed also to have another component, which is actually constitute the major problem in Israel, Palestine, and for the Palestinian people, which is the settler colonial aspects of Zionism.

So to go back to the national aspects of Zionism, I think that all of us, Palestinians, Israeli Jews, changed, and that both societies changed.

developed to be much more conservative and religious.

I think there is a tendency among Israelis, even secular, liberal, to use religion and to emphasize the role of religion and conservatism when it comes to imagining the future and speaking about Israel-Palestine

while on the Palestinian context, less.

It's more about the importance of- Can you defend that statement for me?

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

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