Ryan Callaghan

It's interesting.

Have you ever read Dan Flores' piece on American buffalo?

Yeah.

Buffalo diplomacy.

What was it?

Buffalo ecology, buffalo diplomacy.

Okay.

Yeah, that's great too.

What his theory is, and I think it's valid, that the time where they saw millions of buffalo was because the Native Americans had been wiped out by disease.

This is the idea, is that there was never a time where there were that many bison.

Yeah.

And the reason why there were that many bison was because the Native Americans weren't hunting them anymore because 90% of them were wiped out by disease.

That's why when they made their way across, and I guess it was like the early 1800s.

Oh, like Lewis and Clark.

big total Buffalo population number that always gets thrown out there Was really on the landscape right like why wasn't there a balance of predator and prey where there always is if it was really natural Mm-hmm right it does make sense.

Right.

Before people is the dumbest fucking argument ever.

They were here first.

Well, this is the argument they use with wolves.

You know, like they were here first.