Ryan Grim

He posted something and then that became like a thing that, well, actually, Hasan Piker doesn't have an audience.

It's just a tiny little rounding error.

So...

you're then left with the question, well, then why is there, why are you freaking out?

Right.

Why is this multimillion dollar Schumer connected, you know, think tank doing op eds and an entire campaign around a guy who, that nobody watches.

Um, but I'm curious from your perspective, what was the fallout?

Well, not the fallout.

What was the kind of reaction to you going on?

How did it, how did it affect your campaign or not affect your campaign?

Because if it did, if, if it's true that nobody actually watches this program, then,

well, first of all, you wouldn't be here and we wouldn't be talking about it.

Second of all, then it would be no effect.

What was the effect?

Yeah, and it seems like the big thing from the 2024 election was that, or the modicum was, we need a bigger tent for the Democratic Party.

We need to bring in young people or what have you.

And I just wanted to pull up this article from The Bulwark where they interviewed Jonathan Cohen, who's the founder of Third Way.

And he says, if people are really arguing that the price of winning is becoming like a bigoted misogynist, like a son piker, then I'll take not winning.

Yeah.

So it seems the third way position is actually to lose with grace.