Ryan Hanley

Well, I want to get into something that I saw actually on your Instagram channel that fascinated me.

And it was just a snippet.

But the topic I just I'm really interested in hearing the more expanded version of this idea, which was the idea of.

big bets versus small bets.

And if anyone listens to business podcasts, entrepreneurial stuff, you know, Peter Diamandianis, who is phenomenal, has the Moonshots podcast.

Everything's about big bets, burn the boats.

And you had some really interesting takes on small bets and the value that small bets make and how they play a role.

And I'd love to start our conversation in big bets versus small bets from someone who's built a billion dollar company.

So why then do you think there is so much

moonshot swing for the fences, pornography out there?

Is that just clickbait to sell stuff in behind the scenes, all these entrepreneurs are kind of thinking the way you are?

Or is this just a philosophical difference that people have in business?

Yeah, I was listening to a kind of startup-oriented podcast the other day, and a very successful investor was on, and I don't think he meant anything negative about this, but

He said, you know, I want to see two or three failures, you know, before I invest.

Like, I want to know they've run into a wall before.

And in a broad stroke, I can kind of understand what he's saying.

But at the same time,

as the actual operator, that is devastating.

And it is oftentimes you don't survive the first major miss, especially if you're doing it kind of counter to what you're suggesting, which is you fire a cannonball and you miss, that bounces back with almost just as much negative impact on you, your emotions, your relationship, your bank account, all this kind of stuff.

So