Ryan Holiday

You could study on your own as long as you could pass the bar.

You got the degree.

I think you can still do that in California or there's a few states where they'll let you do that.

But I feel like I should be able to do that for a college degree.

Like, just give me the test.

Tell me to write the papers and let's see if I can do it.

I'm pretty sure I could or I would figure out how to do it.

Well, this is how it usually goes.

If they're being interviewed for an article, because it's an article about the rise or the resurgence of stoicism, they're usually kind of snarky and negative and say something about it.

And then when they put out a book, they email me to ask for a blurb.

Yes.

Or if they can come on my podcast.

Cool.

So that's how it tends to work, which is that in the abstract...

They talk shit about you.

And then when they want something, they are shameless and asking for it.

And this is not just academics, but you find this anywhere, right?

It's like the college student will talk a lot of shit about insert industry.

But then when they have to get a job and they're being interviewed at said company, they're all very nice.

Obviously, in the 16th century, the 15th and 16th century, citizenship was a little bit different and borders were a little bit different.