Ryan Holiday

And they clearly had a sense of humor that not everyone appreciated.

Most of his cabinet's like, dude, it's Christmas.

What are we doing here?

He said, if I don't laugh, I think I would die.

All of us are greatly strained and we need to have something to lighten the mood.

And they're like, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he's like, OK, anyways, the reason I called you here is let's talk about the Emancipation Proclamation.

So like one of the greatest, most elevated moments in American history is preceded by this humorous, silly, distracted moment of American history.

But they're inseparable from each other.

And I do think very often the wisest people, I would say as a general rule, every wise person I have met has a pretty good sense of humor.

Certainly being stupid makes it hard for you to find things.

But like people think humor is low and base.

I actually find that real humor is based in your ability to perceive and understand the absurdity of the human experience.

Plus shitting in people's hats.

Not exactly.

It's so good.

It's so good.

No, I was actually thinking about this with someone I know recently who's kind of struggling at what they do.

What they need to do is very clear.

The changes they have to make are very clear, but they just cannot hear it.