Ryan Schwenk

It has not been tested in the courts.

There is nothing that says you can do this, but it's the agency's position that you can.

If you're going to go out and use this, you need to check with your local management, first and foremost, because that's what they told us to say.

Okay.

And I would tell them, if you have questions, I would say talk to your local OPLA office first.

OPLA, Office of the Principal Legal Advisor, a.k.a.

your local on-call ICE attorneys.

Because I know my colleagues in OPLA, by and large, are going to tell them that this is hoodoo, that it's absolutely unlawful.

And I have confidence in my colleagues to say that.

Often Ryan's job involved observing cadets during role-playing exercises.

In the movie set, Fake City part of the campus.

Cadets would be given loose instructions like, target is inside that bodega, go get him.

And instructors would participate sometimes, but mostly just watch and give notes.

Sometimes scenarios would go like off script, right?

Sometimes role players would change things.

So you would sometimes see scenarios that don't normally involve firearms, for instance, right?

Turn into a firearm scenario.

And you would see when this would happen, you would see the cadets do things that would jeopardize themselves and others, like pulling firearms at times that are inappropriate or pointing firearms at people they shouldn't be pointing them at, making arrests of individuals that had not committed a crime.

This pointed out to Ryan bad habits or instincts that they needed to teach out of the cadets.

But there was so little time.