Róisín Ingle

And I, you know, I messed around in school.

And you know what I did, Ray, was like I used all of these things that happened to me almost like attention seeking.

Like I made it a drama about me.

Like I'd like to shock people when I tell them, you know, my dad killed himself and then this other person had drowned or, you know, I would use it as like a little way of kind of making myself have a bit of story about me, you know.

Sort of cool.

Yeah, or also cool because I didn't care.

But obviously, I did care.

I know.

It's actually communicating.

I think I've read a bit about this as well.

And when people are acting out like that, they're telling you something.

But we don't know what it is.

And we don't see it as that.

We don't see it as another form of communication.

Somebody's in pain and is doing this stuff.

And they're not saying, I'm in pain, I need help.

They're doing other things.

They're taking drugs or they're eating too much or they're gambling or whatever they're doing.

And I think that's what I... You gambled.

I don't know why that's... Well, I love playing cards.