Sally Hayden

You know, this is really, you know, horrible things are happening in the world.

And then, yeah, of course, you think at least I can make a difference by showing this.

And then you become very disillusioned with that because you're like, well...

You know, it doesn't really seem to be making a difference.

And at the same stage, yeah, of course, there's always that thing while you're creating a documentation, at least that, you know, that this is the reality and that this is what's happening.

And also if people want to tell their stories, like giving them a platform to do that.

And I think that that is important.

But yeah, I mean, I'm definitely struggling with motivation.

And I'm always like...

like I'm not the only journalist, you know, there's like, that's why it's great that there's always new people as well who kind of pick up different mantles and are also kind of doing the same.

But I don't know, in terms of also international reporting, I guess, like I've always been interested in

the rest of the world, like the wider kind of human experience and being part of a kind of global community.

And I think the world we live in now, we don't live in like isolated countries where what we do has no impact on everybody else.

And I guess like that is both of interest to me and I think it's important.

But it's been nice being back in Ireland this week.

Even like with the Irish Times, I like meet people who are like, oh, I read your articles.

And I'm like, oh, normally I never really hear that.

So yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I say in the book it was my first kind of professional assignment.