Sally Hayden

So they actually did play music, but very quietly.

And yeah, it was really interesting.

They're still together.

I met them and their children, who were so lovely.

And, yeah, it was just interesting kind of exploring that situation.

But through that perspective, I also met, as you mentioned, so Valentine's Day was banned under ISIS, but now it's kind of come back and people are getting more and more enthusiastic about it.

I met a florist.

So when I got to her shop, it was the day after Valentine's Day.

And there were like stems of roses like all over the floor.

And she was like, you know, it's been crazy.

There's been so many people like the men are under pressure.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, back with a vengeance.

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, to be honest, I wouldn't say I have an amazing explanation for that.

I think it's strange when you start out, isn't it?

Because you don't necessarily know what you're planning to do with your life.

And I do think, like I said, the reasons why you become a journalist maybe are different to the reasons you keep going as a journalist.

And

Yeah, I think I started because I was like, you know, oh, you can have adventures and do exciting things.

And very quickly I was like, no, this isn't an adventure.