Sally Hayden

Yeah.

You know, just nappies, all of these things.

Even one time, which I describe in the book, I saw like a photo of a couple and the words under it were, love is just a feeling until someone comes along to give it meaning.

And, you know, if you take a photo of this airstrike site...

hopefully people will understand what I'm saying.

If you take a photo from a distance, you just see a pile of gray.

You don't know what that was.

But if you look closely, you see all of this humanity that's being destroyed in that instance.

And I think that one of the dangers that's happening, yes, we're seeing human suffering in a way, but we're not actually seeing the humanity of people in the way that we should be.

And I know that maybe sounds quite vague, but I think that...

No, I know exactly what you're saying.

That is a dangerous thing that's happening right now.

Mentally?

I don't know.

I mean, I do...

Like, it's a big question.

Yeah, I mean, I've done hostile environment training a few times, but I wouldn't say that that, like, it's more like first aid and stuff like that.

I mean, they talk about mental health, but like, I think, like, it's a tricky question to answer in a way because this is the world we're living in, you know, so it's like,

I wouldn't say that I deliberately... Like, for example, when I moved to Beirut, there was only conflict on the border.

I mean, which is still conflict, but we didn't know that the war is going to escalate.