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Like we would have been fighting all these pathogens.

So heating up a little would have killed the bacteria and we would have moved on.

But now it's almost like we're heating up a little.

But it doesn't kill the plastic piece or whatever that's floating in our body.

The plastic piece or whatever is just in our body.

Right.

Yeah.

So it doesn't solve a problem.

It just leaves us in a sort of slightly agitated inflamed state.

And then that causes other problems.

That's what's going on.

Yes.

I mean, I have heard of absolutely one million things that seem to be caused or worsened by inflammation.

Like the range is huge.

So what do we actually know about whether inflammation is contributing to all of these diseases and health problems?

After the break, Dylan tells me about the work that is happening to find the line where healthy, cleansing fire turns dangerous.

So Dylan Scott told me the science on this is evolving, but some serious health conditions do seem to be at least associated with chronic inflammation.

But it's interesting.

I mean, we're back in the quagmire we've been in the whole time because you're also saying we still don't totally know when it's a symptom of disease and when it might be tipping into this chronic inflammation that causes disease.

I mean, Dylan, how can I sort that out?