Sam Hinkie

The way they've talked about people in the past, who they've looked up to, how that's changed, how that hasn't changed, who they admire, the kinds of leaders they admire, the kinds of leaders they detest.

Do they want to be...

Steve Jobs and Elon and the like, okay, that's a certain style.

Do they want to be John Malone and Warren Buffett?

Okay, that's a different style.

From who people admire, you learn about some of the things that they value and who it is that they look up to and what trade-offs they think are totally worth it.

I mean, you mentioned The Last Dance.

In some ways, this paragon of excellence and amazing.

In other ways, it's like, whoo.

The cost of making that happen is like real, real.

If that's what you admire the most, and if that ring chasing is the most important, which is totally admirable in its own way, then fine.

I should anticipate you're likely to cut many, many corners and fight guerrilla warfare in many ways that others would find untoward.

And I need to be comfortable with it.

What are the best ways that you've learned to avoid transactional type people?

Slow down, slow down in a whole bunch of ways.

Drives transactional people nuts.

Fine with me.

I'm trying to learn that.

I'm trying to learn that.

So you read a book.