Sam Sanders

Yep.

Cough, cough, Denzel Washington.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Last question for you.

Talking about the slog of the Oscars and campaigning for the Oscars, I imagine it could make someone who has to cover this stuff all the time uninspired.

What still keeps you inspired about covering this wacky horse race?

Katie, thanks for being here.

And thank you for your Oscar service.

Katie Rich is the awards editor at The Ankler.

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My first bit of advice is not quite a told you so, but this was bound to get messy.

People might not know, but we go way back.

Yeah, we had the same fellowship many, many years ago.

I think that people come to me because I do a really good job or have gotten to be better at it.

And you're probably good at this too.

We're really good at synthesizing information and taking stories and reducing them to like