Sam Simmons

You know, it's like I deal with young men right now who know how to be punished because they're punished by the community in their own way.

They're punished by the system.

They know probably a lot less in some cases

more about punishment than love.

So threatening to punish me is not going to change my behavior.

And we're seeing it every day on the news since COVID, right?

You know, and so that's the thing that fed the idea of the conference.

The first conference, what we did is we set up a one-day conference.

We didn't know what we were doing.

We set up a one-day conference.

And the conference was all about the question, if we focused on male trauma, would the community improve?

And we did a full day of that.

We looked at education.

We looked at parenting.

We looked at the church.

And we had these workshops.

We asked the question.

And it made people think differently, right?

You know, it made them think about

their part it made them think about why we have to be truthful because the thing is is i come from a community that has over 400 years of trauma so our culture is built around surviving trauma and if we if we address the trauma then also if there is an enemy we would approach the enemy very different so you know it's interesting as you're you're talking sam it's kind of like it's kind of like what health chatter does