Sam Simmons

And I would say that's true, but we also have to do a certain amount of understanding and accountability within the community at the same time.

And we had this argument and it got loud.

The staff got scared.

You know, you got, you know, there are only two black guys that work for the place and we're in the office yelling at each other.

The door is vibrating.

Folks scared to hit, knock on the door.

And then all of a sudden it gets quiet.

Right.

And then they get really worried.

It's like, okay.

And then, you know, and then we realized they were outside the door.

We opened the door and said, we're good.

And what we came to the conclusion was we were both right.

Okay, so how do you hold somebody accountable that you don't give grace to?

How do you hold somebody accountable you don't give grace to?

How do you think about this?

Across the board, we don't recognize male trauma across the board.

It don't matter what your group is.

Think about that.

How do you ignore a whole gender's trauma and then be surprised by the way they treat themselves