Sammi Cohen

And there was also no one that was telling you otherwise, right? It was all of these potential investors, your stakeholders, everyone who had something to say about the money that you took into the business, right? No one was probably saying, pump the brakes, let's get you to profitability, and then you can take on more money.

It was just, here, here's more capital, here's more capital, keep growing, open all these retail stores, continue to grow and expand. And I think now it's so easy to play armchair expert and say, oh, well, all of these companies just raised too much money when it was just... a state of the times, really. I want to talk about an article from The Cut that came out in 2023.

It was just, here, here's more capital, here's more capital, keep growing, open all these retail stores, continue to grow and expand. And I think now it's so easy to play armchair expert and say, oh, well, all of these companies just raised too much money when it was just... a state of the times, really. I want to talk about an article from The Cut that came out in 2023.

It was just, here, here's more capital, here's more capital, keep growing, open all these retail stores, continue to grow and expand. And I think now it's so easy to play armchair expert and say, oh, well, all of these companies just raised too much money when it was just... a state of the times, really. I want to talk about an article from The Cut that came out in 2023.

And this was a few years after you left Outdoor Voices, where you were actually very open about how you felt the brand had changed since your departure. And it seems like people were almost surprised that you were still thinking about the company that you had worked at and created. And I'm curious why you think people were even surprised by that.

And this was a few years after you left Outdoor Voices, where you were actually very open about how you felt the brand had changed since your departure. And it seems like people were almost surprised that you were still thinking about the company that you had worked at and created. And I'm curious why you think people were even surprised by that.

And this was a few years after you left Outdoor Voices, where you were actually very open about how you felt the brand had changed since your departure. And it seems like people were almost surprised that you were still thinking about the company that you had worked at and created. And I'm curious why you think people were even surprised by that.

I read that article last night.

I read that article last night.

I read that article last night.

Yeah. Just to get mentally prepared for the episode, of course. Yeah. It was shockingly unflattering for no reason. And I think clearly, and I actually don't even remember the name of the journalist, but I felt like it was an incredibly unfair depiction of your time and experience at OV. So I could understand from your perspective why you would read that.

Yeah. Just to get mentally prepared for the episode, of course. Yeah. It was shockingly unflattering for no reason. And I think clearly, and I actually don't even remember the name of the journalist, but I felt like it was an incredibly unfair depiction of your time and experience at OV. So I could understand from your perspective why you would read that.

Yeah. Just to get mentally prepared for the episode, of course. Yeah. It was shockingly unflattering for no reason. And I think clearly, and I actually don't even remember the name of the journalist, but I felt like it was an incredibly unfair depiction of your time and experience at OV. So I could understand from your perspective why you would read that.

And perhaps if it were me, I'd be infuriated because you've already gone through... Yeah. Yeah.

And perhaps if it were me, I'd be infuriated because you've already gone through... Yeah. Yeah.

And perhaps if it were me, I'd be infuriated because you've already gone through... Yeah. Yeah.

100%. I think it takes away other people's power when you share your perspective on how everything went down. Because truthfully, anyone who's going to write about it, talk about it, they weren't there. They weren't in the room. They don't know what it was actually like.

100%. I think it takes away other people's power when you share your perspective on how everything went down. Because truthfully, anyone who's going to write about it, talk about it, they weren't there. They weren't in the room. They don't know what it was actually like.

100%. I think it takes away other people's power when you share your perspective on how everything went down. Because truthfully, anyone who's going to write about it, talk about it, they weren't there. They weren't in the room. They don't know what it was actually like.

So when you own it from your perspective to the extent that you can and you're able, I think that that's where you actually gain your power back.