Sara Imari Walker

And I think,

Yeah.

No, so I'm happy professionally also to change my mind all the time.

So I was a determinist.

I'm not a determinist anymore.

Right now, I'm a presentist.

I think that probably changed in the last few years.

And it's mostly because of the structure of what I understand of what we're doing with assembly theory.

So assembly theory is still very much in development, and we're still really trying to work on the ideas.

But I always had these ideas about...

the origin of life having something to do with information playing a causal role in the structure of reality and information is like an abstract thing.

Like how can you think mathematical structures can influence physical world?

But like you just gave great examples of things that were once ideas that became physical.

And I think about like Newton's law of gravitation is a law of nature.

It describes something about the objective world, but the law itself is also an object that exists in our biosphere that's generating structure, like allowing us to launch satellites into space that wouldn't be possible without

that mathematical form existing on our planet as a description of reality.

Right.

So that's an object.

And so these kind of things are always really perplexing to me.

And so, you know, I started working with Leon assembly theory and like Lee's very radical and very thought provoking and always pushing.