Sara Madden

The other thing I'll say in terms of finding good tool sets is it's not, it's also the peer, I agree with everything that you said, but some of the best tool sets we have, I've learned about them from new engineers that are entry level people that got to test out cool tools in their prior job and they're bringing in really cool new tool sets.

And it's as much about learning.

finding the right tool as it is making sure that you have the skill sets on your team to manage that.

Oftentimes we pick tools because the engineers we have on our team have expertise in being able to manage that product because you're never going to get a perfect product, right?

There's always going to be issues.

But if you don't have the talent to manage it, you could have the greatest tool set and you could buy and it's not going to work because you don't have the right engineering to manage it.

So it's about people too.

It's about their skill sets.

We don't trust it.

And we use AI every day.

I mean, you question your output every time, right?

So we use AI every day, especially in SecOps.

Like it's

so efficient for us to run a particular IDE tool in a very big cloud, fork some code, throw it in there, have it analyze it, we get results back in five minutes, that's contextualized, and it's actually super helpful.

And then that usually starts like a little bit of a panic and a spin cycle.

And we like, oh, my God, look at these results.

And then we don't trust it.

Initially, we go and we look at it.

And you end up finding that there's pieces of it that's super helpful.

And there's areas that you could tweak.