Sara Madden

We suck at this game.

I mean, I send my team to the technical conferences so they can sit and learn and then come back and do a brown bag.

So like to your point, it's like purpose built, right?

Besides Black Hat, AWS conference, like those are good technical conferences that our teams go to learn stuff and then come back and share what they learned.

We frankly send the people on the team that like to do conferences.

There's people that don't like to do conferences, right?

And so you can incentivize them with different kinds of training.

And so you send the people that actually are going to get out there, go to the talks, meet people, learn things, and then come back and share it.

So I think that's another important part of it, too, is like send the people that are going to get the most out of it.

We do tabletops quarterly.

And my feedback 100% of the time is you didn't bring me in early enough, you should have brought me in here, you should have brought me in here.

And it's so hard to sit there because I haven't been called yet.

So I have to be quiet.

So I'm just sitting there on the edge of my seat, like, right.

But the reason you we do tabletops on a repeated basis is because we get better and better at it every single time, right.

And

Two years ago, my team was bringing me in way too late.

And in some cases recently, they're bringing me in too early.

And so it's just a, it's trial and error.

It's education.