Sarah B. Rogers

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg · Under Secretary of State Sarah B. Rogers on dismantling the "Censorship Industrial Complex" · 22 Jan 2026 podcast

And if you look at polls in Europe, I think you see some of the sentiment.

So I don't know where things are going.

I can't promise a panacea, but I will say that I've had productive conversations and hope that I'll have more.

To an extent, because one way to resolve the transnational issue is geofencing.

Now, I think I understand that some of the UK enforcement actions, geofencing has not been enough, which is pretty ridiculous, but you're essentially... You're saying that's not enough for them.

Yeah, like there's a small American website, and I can't recall the name of it, that Ofcom has sued, and that website responded, well, we've geofenced, we've blocked UK IPs, so you should have nothing to say about the content on our website, but Ofcom is still going.

Yes.

Which is what the people of Iran are doing, too.

But I think, you know, you mentioned, like, blocking by IP address.

I think some countries that just, where the people, where they don't have that Charlie Hebdo tradition, like countries like Russia or China, they just admit that they are censorious societies, and they just block these websites.

Right, there's like a great wall.

I think it's technologically feasible to a point.

There are circumventions, but it is not politically feasible because British people want to be free.

And I think if Keir Starmer said, we're putting up a great firewall and you're not allowed to access any American social media anymore, he'd be out of office.

Irrefutably.

And the pretext for some of this was disinformation, a term that was really distended to encompass.

And if you read the white papers put out by these disinformation NGOs, they will admit, yeah, the information can be true.

But if it promotes an adverse narrative, we don't like it.

And that's such an Orwellian adverse narrative, right?

There's misinformation and disinformation.

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