Sarah Mulkerrins

It's, you know, it's a natural point for a lot of these appointments.

But then it's the hold for Saracens as well with him.

You know, there is a player being involved in it in terms of that club and what they've achieved over the years and, you know, the relationship with Owen that he would have and the news today that they voted that there's not going to be relegation anymore.

Yeah.

In Prem Rugby.

So, you know, there is a grind, but, you know, they are slightly kind of altering the structure there in terms of it.

Yeah.

But do you not...

I think if we look back at, you know, like the emailer was saying about, you know, my childhood going into the Galway races, you know, and going in with the family and you go in and you'd be up and you'd be like, oh, will I put a fiver on this horse?

And, you know, it was part of the fun.

But the relationship to gambling, I think, has changed for an awful lot of people because that was when I didn't have a smartphone that could allow me to gamble on anything.

So I would do that for one day a year.

And it was part of the experience.

It was not all of the experience.

And I think the reason why, and I understand that there are people who are very protective of the industry when it's to do with horse racing, is that I think the wider gambling industry

horse racing in particular, that might have one form of gambling that is seen as low risk in terms of these addictive behaviours, in terms of the gambling commissions when they look at them, they are now being equated to the high risk activities in terms of, you know,

apps on phones free bets you know the online casinos and I think that has all melded into one and so one thing that may have a different experience for people and maybe lower risk not that there isn't a risk it may be lower risk than having a direct on your phone and being given free bets and and all the stuff there and so I think that when when I listened to that I was just like well

they're slightly different things, but they get pulled in as one.

And I think technology and how that has developed has changed our association with gambling because we can see it, you know, being really detrimental and also kind of changing.

So, like, I don't have a betting account, right?