Sarah Paine

Well, that's all nonsense.

And as things go on further and further, you have dictators more and more entrenched.

And they're using communism, which is another piece where...

It's just amazing about the big lie.

I don't know whether Stalin said something.

If the lie is big enough, people will believe you that it's just so out there.

It's so preposterous.

They go with it, which is this notion that the Soviet Union is that it's the West or these imperial powers.

Right.

And we buy this, that they're not the ones.

But if you look at it, I've given you the data.

And then this other one in our own time, this lie about, oh, it's the West, it's NATO expansion.

This explains Putin.

I've given you the data.

It's nonsense.

Now, why the Russians feel obliged to take other people's territory, part of it is this feeling good while other people squirm.

There's that aspect.

And they're not the only people who do those sorts of things.

But it's also from this being on the plains of Eurasia over history, people have invaded you.

And so you have an established paradigm of how you deal with other people that is deep-seated over thousands of years.