Sarah Wilson

But the opportunity we have before us

right now is to determine whether we tether ourselves to a system that is collapsing, is collapsing without there being any kind of out path, if you know what I mean.

And so we can start to imagine where we're going to head next.

And that's sort of why I wrote this book, because experts around the world are sort of trying to issue this clarion call, you know,

Please wake up.

This is when we need to actually be making significant changes to the way we interact with the world.

It's potentially a bleak picture, but potentially an era of stunning possibility.

Humans have gone through this before, Ruby, multiple times.

And out of dark times, out of dark, liminal times like the one we find ourselves in...

Great poetry, great art movements, great philosophy has emerged, you know, between the two world wars.

Existentialism emerged, socialism and communism emerged as ideas that, you know, were expressions of human flourishing.

And this, I believe, is an era we're about to enter.

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Now, there is a word that I keep hearing everywhere at the moment, and I think it really speaks to the anxiety that so many of us are carrying right now.

That word is collapse.

I think for a lot of us, definitely for me, that anxiety stems from this creeping feeling that we're under threat from all angles.

Climate change is obviously such a big one.