Saskia

In the beginning, when I met with the producers, it felt profound, but it also was so scary and so uncomfortable.

I honestly was like a little kid, like I hid my face in my shirt because it felt so uncomfortable.

strange receiving compassion and empathy and sympathy about what Mike did to me.

And you had to start to recognize how bad it was.

Yeah, how hard that was.

I never felt important enough to really do the deep diving into me and my story and my life.

It feels wrong to me because I'm not used to doing that.

I totally agree.

On Sunday night, we had a really difficult recording session for the podcast.

I was talking to Caitlin.

Caitlin is one of our producers.

And she saw that I visibly got tearful and then started crying.

And Caitlin's response, of course, was empathy.

And like, if this is too much for you, let's stop.

And I said, no, like, I need to feel these feelings.

It's hard, but...

I know that this is necessary.

It's harder before it gets easier.

Yeah, it's been really hard.

A few years.