Satya Nadella

And that's, I think, perhaps, you know, you could say cloud did a bunch of that and obviously distributed computing and cloud did change client server.

The web changed massively.

But this does feel a little more like maybe more full stack than even the past that at least I've been involved in.

Yeah, it's actually, it's interesting.

I mean, I think the...

If I sort of go back even at least the four big transformations that I've been part of, right, if you say the client and the client server, so that's the birth of the graphical user interface and the x86 architecture basically even allowing us to build servers.

It was very clear to me.

I remember going to what was PDC in 91.

In fact, I was at Sun at that time.

And in 91, I went to Moscone, went to basically that's when Microsoft first described Win32 interface.

And I said, it was pretty clear to me what was going to happen where the server was also going to be an x86 thing, right?

So that when you have the scale advantages

accruing to something.

That's the secular bet you have to place, right?

And so what happened in the client was going to happen on the server side, and then you were able to then actually build client-server applications, so the app model, and it became clear.

Then the web was the big thing for us, which we had to deal with in starting.

In fact, as soon as I joined Microsoft, I think, what is it like the, you know, the browser, the Netscape browser or the Mosaic browser came out what December, November of 93, right?

I think is when

Andreessen and crew sort of had that.

And so that was a big game changer.