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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And then the UI side of it is presence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Stafford uses that term.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

In fact, he's used that term more recently around this new species.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

The way I come at it is you definitely need trust.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

I think the one thing that before we kind of claim it is something...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

as big as a species.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

The fundamental thing that I think that we've got to get right is that there is real trust, whether it's personal or societal level trust that's baked in.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

That's the hard problem.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Because I think the one biggest rate limiter to the power here will be how does our legal, call it infrastructure, we're talking about all the compute infrastructure, how does the legal infrastructure evolve to deal with this?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Like, entire world is constructed with things like humans owning property, having rights, and being liable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Like that's the fundamental thing that one has to sort of first say, okay, what does that mean for anything that now humans are using as tools?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And if humans are going to delegate more authority to these things, then how does that structure evolve?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Like until that really gets resolved, I think just talking about sort of the tech capability, I don't think it's going to happen.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Because at the end of the day, there is no way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Like, today you cannot deploy these intelligences unless and until there's someone indemnifying it as a human.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

To your point, that's one of the reasons why I think about, like, even the most powerful AI is essentially working with some delegated authority from some human.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

You can sort of say, oh, that's all alignment, this, that, and the other.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And that's why I think you have to sort of really get these alignments to actually work and be verifiable in some way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

But I just don't think that you can deploy intelligences that are out.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

So, for example, this AI takeoff problem may be a real problem.