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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

But before it is a real problem, the real problem will be in the courts.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Because the courts, I mean, no society is going to allow for some human to say, hey, I did that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Even if you legally...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

It's sort of like, even if in any... One thing that we think that no society cares about it, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

They can be rogue actors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

I'm not saying they won't be rogue actors.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

I mean, they're cyber criminals and rogue states.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

They're going to be there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

But to think that sort of

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

the human society at large doesn't care about it is also not going to be true.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

So I think we all will care.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

We know how to deal with rogue states and rogue actors today.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

The world doesn't sit around and say, we'll tolerate that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

So therefore, that's why I'm glad that we have a world order in which anyone who is a rogue actor in a rogue state has consequences.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

By the way, you bring up another one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

I know David Autor and others have talked a lot about this, which is that 60% of labor.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

I think the other question that needs to happen is let's at least talk about our democratic societies.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

I think that in order to have a stable social structure and democracies function, you just can't have return on capital and no return on labor.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

We can talk about it, but that 60% has to be something that has to be revalued.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

So in my own simple sort of way, call it naive is, hey, we'll start valuing different types of human labor.