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Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

You know, what is today considered high value human labor, maybe commodity.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

There may be new things that we will value, including that sort of person who comes to me, you know, and helps me with my physical therapy or whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Like, I mean, it's like whatever is going to be

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

the case that we value.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

But ultimately, if we don't have return on labor and there's meaning in work and dignity in work and all of that, that's another rate limiter to any of these things being deployed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Oh yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

That is correct.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And so that's sort of, that's one of the reasons why I think we ask sort of, you know, when we even allocate compute, let's allocate compute for what is that alignment challenge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And then more importantly, what is the runtime environment in which you are really going to be able to monitor these things, the observability around it?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

Like that's, by the way,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

We do deal with a lot of these things today in the classical side of things as well, like cyber.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

We just don't write software and then just let it go.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

You have software and then you monitor it, you monitor it for cyber attacks, you monitor it for fault injections and what have you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And so therefore, I think we will have to build enough software engineering around the deployment side of these

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And then inside the model itself, what's the alignment?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And these are all, some of them are real science problems, some of them are real engineering problems, and then we will have to tackle it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And by the way, that also means that, like, take our own liability in all of this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

So that's why I'm more interested in deploying these things in where...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

You know, you can't actually govern what the scope of these things is and the scale of these things is.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Satya Nadella – Microsoft’s AGI Plan & Quantum Breakthrough

And so you just can't unleash something out there in the world that creates harm because the social permission for that is not going to be there.