Sawyer (Mel's daughter)
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Apr 2025
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And for your next gig. And you can learn as much as you want. You can stay for as long as you want. There is no guardrails. But I really need some help with this project. So for however long you wish, it's up to you and we can get started. And I had said, okay, fine, but I'm never going to be full time. And... Let them.
And I think it's so hilarious because growing up, every single week, I think, mom would say once a week, I just can't wait to have a family business.
when we started working together, I finally understood everything that you do and everything that you have gone through in the past 25 years that I've been alive. And I just had such an overwhelming appreciation and compassion for everything that you do on a daily basis and how much stress and overload, which I am now experiencing, you experience.
And it's... Running a business this size. Yes. No one knows how big this business is.
It is insane. And I genuinely don't think Kendall Oakley or dad will ever know how much you go through. And I would never know how much you go through. And everyone that is relying on you and needing your attention and needing things from you. And I think that that also really helped me basically look through your frame of reference and your lens
And I think it just allowed me to have so much more compassion for you and so much more understanding and just appreciation. And once I saw like the internal side of the business and truly put myself in your shoes. I think it's only then that I was like, I need to show up differently. And I want to cheer for her. I don't want to boo her. And now I understand.
I loved the visual of the tug of war because immediately what I thought was, if you put me and you on either side of the tug of war, every single time that I was mad at you, I was tugging. And every single time you would basically hold on tight and tug closer to me because you just wanted to save me and do all this and do all that.
Whenever we fight, whenever we used to argue in the past, it would be both of us tug of warring. And I think with the let them theory, which you started implementing with me and our family way before I even knew it, I think what ended up happening is I would start to tug and you would drop the rope and I would fall down, which happens every single time.
And it's not falling down in the sense of I'm less than or screw her. It's more so, oh, she's just not playing this game anymore. And I think that's what's so beautiful. What is so beautiful about the Latin theory is you actually can't play the game of tug of war when one person isn't playing. It takes two.
Yes, 100%. So we start writing the book together. And geez. What do you mean, and geez? Geez, oh, geez. It was not a breeze. Oh my God, no. We, mom. Yes. This was horrible.
I genuinely think if the topic of the book was not letting other people be themselves, live their lives in order for you to live your best life and for you to finally be yourself, I would not be sitting here today. How come? Because this book writing process brought us closer, but also was weird. It was hard. It was really hard.
I think I said it 25 times a day. And let me just paint the picture for you guys. Okay. So we are living together. Which is, I would not recommend. Do not recommend. Do a project virtually or something. But we are living together. So every single day for the entire last year, this is how it would go. We'd wake up. Hey, Mom. Hey, Soy. How are you? Oh, my gosh. You sleep well? Yeah, sleep well.
Okay. Then we go to exercise together. No boundaries. Then we eat breakfast together. One of us is making the same smoothie for the both of us. Then we're in such a positive mood. We go up to the office. We sit down. And then all of a sudden, our personalities come out. Mom, her brain is the most beautiful, creative, absolute disaster tornado I've ever worked with in my entire life.
She cannot make a decision. She is all over the place. And you cannot contain her in structure. She wants to creative write for... I don't even know how you got your other two books done, to be completely honest.
She would love to creative write every single day for the rest of time. She wants no boundaries, no structure. She pretty much writes the same thing 20 times in a row. And it sucks. And then I come in and all I want to do is, what is the organization? What is the structure? Give me the table of contents. Give me the outline. And I would literally set up
outlines for her, write this sentence here, write this, this here, write this. And the amount, you should see our Google Drive. It is like 5,000 different documents because it is me creating structure, Mel not writing, mom not writing in it. And then her creating a whole separate document where she chooses to write everything. And then coming back to me and then we come back together.
It was both of our brains... do not work well together. And so the entire time I was trying to control her and she was trying to basically run away from me. And so every single day, it would start off with us just saying let them every single time. I really had to let go of my need to put this into a structure and come up with the main points and summarize it and...
just work in order of chapters. Meanwhile, we are all over the place and creative writing and we're doing this and then we're scrapping this. We literally went through 11 manuscripts. And when I say 11 manuscripts, it's not a sentence change. It is a scrap the entire thing and rewrite from page zero the entire manuscript, 11 of them in the last year. All of which I said, I think we're good here.
Not good enough. And it was not good enough. I agree.
But I literally had to say let them every single time. And so that's about 12, 12 p.m. when we start getting hangry and annoyed. And then we eat because we both notice that we're starting to get snippy and on edge with each other. And then comes the afternoon where... It can go one of two ways. Mostly one way, which is blow up fight, crying. You don't listen to me. You don't do this.
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