Scott Payne

Oh, yeah.

He helped certify me.

I got certified in the FBI's undercover school in 2002.

Yeah.

And Manny's been around.

But now it's funny because, you know, he's got a book and I'm like, hey, that's Manny.

That's the Manny.

That's who showed up and...

Help me pull off a deal.

That's badass.

You know, I go into great detail in the book, but like chapter one is basically an overview of me growing up.

And what I consider my first undercover, even though I did it in true name, like the first time I used the skill set of connecting with people and going into different groups to try to find out some information.

I had a my vice principal was a black man, Mr. Walker, and somebody had tagged his house.

And I just wrote not didn't I just hold their spray painted the house, spray painted his car, racial racism.

slurs and he had watched me in high school and this is the 80s late 80s and he had seen that i could go into i could hang out with potheads i could hang out with jocks i could hang out with musicians i'm a musician and a singer i could hang out in the smoking area and it's not that i was pretending to be it's just like he saw this that i had ability to connect with people and he asked me if i'd help him find out if i'd be willing to help him find out who did it to his place and i said yeah

Wow.

So, so then from there you go to the sheriff's office in chapter two, because I went to college not knowing what I was going to do.

And then I came across a criminal justice elective, uh, and I was like her class.

And I was like, man, I really liked that.

And then by the time I was bouncing through college and cops are working the door, I'd talk to them and be like a sponge trying to feed off of it.