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Scott Payne- Inside The Base: Goat Sacrifice, Murder Plots & America’s Hidden Extremists | DSH #1665
10 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What shocking murder plot did Scott Payne uncover within The Base?
I went down there and we found out that he was really planning on killing people. Wow. And it got so detailed that we canvassed this couple. They believed the couple were very active members of the Antifa.
Chapter 2: What harrowing experience did Scott face while infiltrating a biker gang?
I was able to slow them down because the planning was pretty terrible. It changed a few times, but it ended up to where they wanted me and the cell leader, TMB, to kind of go through the house and kill everybody. while Helter Skelter held guard at the window and then Pest Monster was going to set the house on fire and burn it down.
But then it got to the point where Helter Skelter was like, hey, I want to pop my cherry. And I'm like, wow, what are you talking about? That means something different to me.
Okay, guys, special episode today. We got Scott Payne, retired FBI agent, living a calmer life these days, I'd imagine, right?
yeah lots of traveling the book came out but yeah yeah you're out here for the the mob museum in vegas is that tomorrow yeah tomorrow you've been there yet before no i haven't i'm really excited to go you big on the mob stuff you like that one yeah i mean when i first became an agent um my first office was in new york city so you get through a rotation um because they don't just put you directly on a big squad yeah they want you to learn new york city and the five boroughs and how to get in and out of the office and all that stuff but uh
Yeah, I sat on a lot of wiretaps for the organized crime squad. The 22nd floor back then, pre-9-11, 22nd floor at 26 Fed, half of it was drugs and the other half was organized crime. Wow. So, yeah, I sat on quite a few.
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Chapter 3: How did Scott's early career lead to his undercover work with extremist groups?
So you were trying to infiltrate the mafia back then?
No, I wasn't undercover. I was just a case agent and just a new agent listening to, like, they might have a wiretap on somebody and I'm listening to it. Yeah.
Chapter 4: What psychological toll does undercover work take on agents?
Right, taking notes, writing down anything pertinent, not pertinent.
any of those wiretaps stand out to you that you still think about? You probably can't talk about them.
No, the funniest thing to me was, is I'm like a young agent. You know, I'd already been a cop for five years and a vice narcotics investigator, but I'm like, oh, this is the big time. It's in New York and I'm listening to them and they start getting into this heated argument.
and i'm like oh they're talking like they just don't make it like they used to and this it's just not even pure like it used to be like oh man they're talking about drugs this is gonna be i mean it's this heated argument that goes on and on and they were talking about uh a donut shop oh what and i'm not like i was like man i thought i was onto something big that's funny now they don't make it in the family after all the arguing for like an hour they're like you know they don't make those donuts like they used to well it could have been code but i don't think it was i think it was just straight up
You think they were talking in code, though?
I don't know.
You don't think they were that sophisticated with it?
No, not the way it played out. I don't think they were trying to hide anything. I think it was legitimately the donut shop.
Maybe on calls, but I'd imagine in the house or whatever, it's tougher to do that, right? Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Scott provide on the rise of domestic extremism and violence?
But on calls, I'd imagine they were talking in some code. Should.
Chapter 6: How are online radicalization and grooming tactics affecting youth today?
They should, right?
I mean, you should if you're a decent criminal.
Yeah, these days you never know. How big do you think they are these days, the mob?
I don't know, because I don't work it. I don't know how much they control or don't control. There are other people who work that field that are way more, they would be much more of an expert on it than me.
Yeah, you did some other stuff, right? We'll get into that.
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Chapter 7: What role do pagan rituals and goat sacrifices play in extremist groups?
What was the first undercover mission through?
Well, I started at the sheriff's office. So after three years in uniform patrol, I went to Vice Narcotics Investigator, or I made Vice Narcotics Investigator. And Vice would be your prostitution and gambling back then in South Carolina. And then, of course, narcotics. Got it.
But my first undercover in law enforcement, yeah, I think I just rolled down to the corner and bought a crack rock for $20. Okay.
Chapter 8: How did Scott intervene in a murder plot from within the extremist group?
what happened to that guy uh yeah we i think we ended up arresting them because what you do sometimes is if you got a high high drug trafficking area like on the corner we might roll through there a couple times make some buys get some recordings and then we might have to figure out who it is before we can charge them but yeah i think we picked that person up yeah but he was probably low on the totem pole item yeah he's on the corner just slinging he's probably getting he's probably a user yeah for every five he sold he probably gets one to fill up
And as you started getting higher up the totem pole, it got more and more dangerous, right?
Yeah, well, listen, just buying dope for $20 on the street is dangerous.
These days, right?
Yeah, well, even that was mid-'90s. Damn. That was considered more dangerous. I mean, there's been a lot of times in deep undercover, even though there's always a propensity for violence, because if you're taking somebody's freedom, i.e. locking them up, or if somebody feels their belief system is threatened, like an extremism-type thing, there's always a propensity for violence.
Yeah. Would you say being undercover these days is actually more difficult because of the access to everyone has a camera now? You know what I mean? They could just record everything. There's cameras everywhere.
Absolutely. Yeah.
When you were doing it, it was kind of like not that wasn't really a fact.
I only retired in 21.
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