Scott Payne- Inside The Base: Goat Sacrifice, Murder Plots & America’s Hidden Extremists | DSH #1665

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What shocking murder plot did Scott Payne uncover within The Base?

Scott Payne 0:00
I went down there and we found out that he was really planning on killing people. Wow. And it got so detailed that we canvassed this couple. They believed the couple were very active members of the Antifa.

What harrowing experience did Scott face while infiltrating a biker gang?

Scott Payne 0:10
I was able to slow them down because the planning was pretty terrible. It changed a few times, but it ended up to where they wanted me and the cell leader, TMB, to kind of go through the house and kill everybody. while Helter Skelter held guard at the window and then Pest Monster was going to set the house on fire and burn it down. But then it got to the point where Helter Skelter was like, hey, I want to pop my cherry. And I'm like, wow, what are you talking about? That means something different to me.
Sean Kelly 0:41
Okay, guys, special episode today. We got Scott Payne, retired FBI agent, living a calmer life these days, I'd imagine, right?
Scott Payne 0:47
yeah lots of traveling the book came out but yeah yeah you're out here for the the mob museum in vegas is that tomorrow yeah tomorrow you've been there yet before no i haven't i'm really excited to go you big on the mob stuff you like that one yeah i mean when i first became an agent um my first office was in new york city so you get through a rotation um because they don't just put you directly on a big squad yeah they want you to learn new york city and the five boroughs and how to get in and out of the office and all that stuff but uh Yeah, I sat on a lot of wiretaps for the organized crime squad. The 22nd floor back then, pre-9-11, 22nd floor at 26 Fed, half of it was drugs and the other half was organized crime.
Scott Payne 1:25
Wow. So, yeah, I sat on quite a few.

How did Scott's early career lead to his undercover work with extremist groups?

Sean Kelly 1:27
So you were trying to infiltrate the mafia back then?
Scott Payne 1:29
No, I wasn't undercover. I was just a case agent and just a new agent listening to, like, they might have a wiretap on somebody and I'm listening to it. Yeah.

What psychological toll does undercover work take on agents?

Scott Payne 1:36
Right, taking notes, writing down anything pertinent, not pertinent.
Sean Kelly 1:39
any of those wiretaps stand out to you that you still think about? You probably can't talk about them.
Scott Payne 1:44
No, the funniest thing to me was, is I'm like a young agent. You know, I'd already been a cop for five years and a vice narcotics investigator, but I'm like, oh, this is the big time. It's in New York and I'm listening to them and they start getting into this heated argument. and i'm like oh they're talking like they just don't make it like they used to and this it's just not even pure like it used to be like oh man they're talking about drugs this is gonna be i mean it's this heated argument that goes on and on and they were talking about uh a donut shop oh what and i'm not like i was like man i thought i was onto something big that's funny now they don't make it in the family after all the arguing for like an hour they're like you know they don't make those donuts like they used to well it could have been code but i don't think it was i think it was just straight up
Sean Kelly 2:24
You think they were talking in code, though?
Scott Payne 2:27
I don't know.
Sean Kelly 2:27
You don't think they were that sophisticated with it?
Scott Payne 2:29
No, not the way it played out. I don't think they were trying to hide anything. I think it was legitimately the donut shop.
Sean Kelly 2:34
Maybe on calls, but I'd imagine in the house or whatever, it's tougher to do that, right? Yeah.

What insights does Scott provide on the rise of domestic extremism and violence?

Sean Kelly 2:39
But on calls, I'd imagine they were talking in some code. Should.

How are online radicalization and grooming tactics affecting youth today?

Sean Kelly 2:43
They should, right?
Scott Payne 2:43
I mean, you should if you're a decent criminal.
Sean Kelly 2:45
Yeah, these days you never know. How big do you think they are these days, the mob?
Scott Payne 2:49
I don't know, because I don't work it. I don't know how much they control or don't control. There are other people who work that field that are way more, they would be much more of an expert on it than me.
Sean Kelly 3:03
Yeah, you did some other stuff, right? We'll get into that.

What role do pagan rituals and goat sacrifices play in extremist groups?

Sean Kelly 3:05
What was the first undercover mission through?
Scott Payne 3:08
Well, I started at the sheriff's office. So after three years in uniform patrol, I went to Vice Narcotics Investigator, or I made Vice Narcotics Investigator. And Vice would be your prostitution and gambling back then in South Carolina. And then, of course, narcotics. Got it. But my first undercover in law enforcement, yeah, I think I just rolled down to the corner and bought a crack rock for $20.

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