Scott Payne

And Joe Pistone, he came back in the Bureau, so Joe and Steve Bann, who was an FBI agent, but his background was a clinical psychologist, they created the Safeguard Unit, so...

You take all kinds of psychological tests.

I mean, some of them are some that everybody's had, but some are different.

And then those spit out some graphs.

They spit out some numbers on a graph, and then you're going to sit down with a psychologist for an hour or so, and then you're going to sit down with somebody like Vastone or maybe even me, an experienced undercover.

That kind of you can't BS a BSer thing.

So you can't UC a UC is what we say.

i've heard some people claim at least that they can uh get through those it's been done yeah you think it's possible yeah i guess it's just a matter of controlling your heartbeat right i'm not a polygrapher so i don't want to over speak but i mean because now they've got like a strap on your belly and strap on your chest a butt pad to tell if you're flinching and they got all these monitors on you and stuff but uh yeah um

Yeah.

I think it's – but I've seen people not lie and fail them all the time.

Yeah.

So false positive was what it was.

I was really good at connecting with people as a case agent.

Right.

Because as a case agent, and that's what you are first.

I mean, now under Mueller, he tried some crazy stuff like you're going to come into the FBI and –

You're going to be cradle to grave intelligence.

And that means you're going to go out and develop sources.

I'm like, well, how the hell do you even know what you're looking for if you don't even know what it takes to have that source testify?

I mean, we're trying to build cases on the criminal world.