Seamus Marten

Like, yeah.

What do you describe when you look back on your childhood?

You were dealing what you were dealing with, but without the tools to deal with them, right?

Which, as we build in the second half, we're going to talk about you sort of step into the leadership and helping others, which makes you so perfectly placed because you can see how hard it is when you're trying to navigate this confusing world and you've got no perspective.

So take us to 19 because this is the first sort of business you build which...

gets you into a bit of trouble and I think there's ego involved and what's happened here?

Yeah.

We'll be right back after this short break.

So you're working for 18 months to pay back the debt you've accrued from this sort of disaster.

Yeah.

And then how does that lead into going again?

Like you get out of debt, you get your head above and then you think from the lessons I've learned, I'm actually in a place to go again?

I spoke to your coach, Rhonda, who we're going to introduce a little bit later.

But she said your woo was your highest out of the Clifton strengths.

And it made me reflect on our coffee.

Like kind of the reason you're here is like,

I thought we got on really well.

I really enjoyed that conversation.

And in it, we spoke about some books we were both reading.

And then afterwards, the next morning I came to work and the two books we discussed were on the doorstep of the office with a little note.