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This might be private to you, and I'm not sure if you actually want to share, but she said that through the process in discovering your values, you actually ended up drawing your values instead of writing it.

So I'm kind of interested in what you drew and how that came out.

For the listeners, this was with the authority to talk to me about these things.

There's no conflict.

But she spoke about you being proud of yourself because the natural tendency or pull of your friend group, the boys, is, all right, let's go.

Let's go get fucked up.

Let's go on a bender.

Let's really get after it and go and have some fun.

And then you made this really sort of conscious and determined and disciplined effort to know that's not going to be how I'm going to deal with it.

The power of showing up, and I want to flip it because we spoke to your sister Chelsea, and I want to read what she said.

She said...

To be honest, Nate's my best friend.

Just us two growing up, my big brother, only by 15 months, so very close in age.

We went through a pretty up and down childhood and we've both got real up and down relationships with our parents, but we've always just had each other.

So not to say that we don't fight, but we're pretty tight and he's very loyal.

And she told us a story which illustrated your loyalty through connection, which actually ties perfectly in with our partnership with One New Zealand, as that's what we're both about.

And she said,