Sean Callagy

Four years.

Yes.

And it was worse for me because, as I mentioned, all my upside was stock options that were now under market for four years.

And, but you know, Ike and I talked about this and once I started showing what I could do and he got confidence, he ended up buying back a third of the company at that cheap price, which was very valuable when we sold it to Disney.

So it was taking lemonade and making lemons from it.

You know, having faith in situation instead of getting depressed if your stock goes down,

If you really believe in the fundamentals of an investment, that's the time, like Warren Buffett would say, where you buy it on sale, you know, from where it was.

And so we bought back Marvel stock on sale.

But to your question, it's a really good one, Sean, and I think

I don't believe any group of IP, no matter how talented the producer or the visionary is, can become what Marvel became, a cinematic universe.

There's elements that need to be in it.

And I like to combine analytics with creativity.

And this is an important point because in my specter of Hollywood,

you as a Harvard MBA, you are viewed as the suit, as the business.

And if you talk creative, you're out of your your arena.

And if you're a creative person and you talk about business, you're like diminishing your creative magic that people might trust in you.

I love both.

And I was known because I came front with my Harvard MBA and I got my first job because of that with Mike Ovitz as

that guy, right?

The business guy.