Sean Merwin

I understand that, and I want all of that work done in the setting. I want the game to be a tool with a skeleton or a blueprint, and then I want the setting to say, here is how we are going to do this particular thing. Because I want my player to be able to worship Umberlee but take the trickery domain or take trickery themed things.

I don't want the player to sit down and say, here's the concept for my character. I worship Umberlee, the storm goddess, the, the harsh weather sea goddess. But I, uh, But my my backstory is that I trick people into taking these long ocean voyages and then my goddess strikes them down. And then I send the crew later and pick up their wreck. So I'm really a rogue, but I am a cleric.

I don't want the player to sit down and say, here's the concept for my character. I worship Umberlee, the storm goddess, the, the harsh weather sea goddess. But I, uh, But my my backstory is that I trick people into taking these long ocean voyages and then my goddess strikes them down. And then I send the crew later and pick up their wreck. So I'm really a rogue, but I am a cleric.

but the rules say here is my goddess i have to do these things and that's not what i want to do now i can as the dm say okay well just take the trickery domain and we'll just say you worship that but by tying it into again this tool set that that we have you are eliminating choices And that's why I don't want subclasses tied to organizations.

but the rules say here is my goddess i have to do these things and that's not what i want to do now i can as the dm say okay well just take the trickery domain and we'll just say you worship that but by tying it into again this tool set that that we have you are eliminating choices And that's why I don't want subclasses tied to organizations.

I don't wanna say you need to belong to the Thieves Guild to be able to take this feat or this subclass. Now, in a specific kind of campaign, I think that's wonderful. If you wanna create your world that does that, Please do. And I think there are, you know, Living Greyhawk did that great as the supplements came out. They said all this stuff is locked away.

I don't wanna say you need to belong to the Thieves Guild to be able to take this feat or this subclass. Now, in a specific kind of campaign, I think that's wonderful. If you wanna create your world that does that, Please do. And I think there are, you know, Living Greyhawk did that great as the supplements came out. They said all this stuff is locked away.

However, if you join this organization, you can take this extra feat, not extra feat, but this feat that's in a supplement. But you need to, and that was great for that campaign.

However, if you join this organization, you can take this extra feat, not extra feat, but this feat that's in a supplement. But you need to, and that was great for that campaign.

And I just go back to, you can always do that in your setting. It's easier to add something than it is to take something out. If we go back to first edition, right? Clerics couldn't use bladed weapons, right? No matter what God you worshiped, no matter what, no matter what you just... Jeremy Crawford wasn't around. Exactly. And so...

And I just go back to, you can always do that in your setting. It's easier to add something than it is to take something out. If we go back to first edition, right? Clerics couldn't use bladed weapons, right? No matter what God you worshiped, no matter what, no matter what you just... Jeremy Crawford wasn't around. Exactly. And so...

So if the base rules tell you something is true, that's what people will default to, to a fault. I agree. I think we agree in principle, right? We want there to be rich story. We want things to tie together. We want players to think about the choices they make, and we want those choices to affect Everything.

So if the base rules tell you something is true, that's what people will default to, to a fault. I agree. I think we agree in principle, right? We want there to be rich story. We want things to tie together. We want players to think about the choices they make, and we want those choices to affect Everything.

And right and 2014 had that it had that in a place, unfortunately, that people ignored because it wasn't mechanically relevant. And those were the blonde bonds, flaws, personality traits and goals. And So you could be anything you want. You could be any kind of paladin you want. You could be any kind of cleric you want.

And right and 2014 had that it had that in a place, unfortunately, that people ignored because it wasn't mechanically relevant. And those were the blonde bonds, flaws, personality traits and goals. And So you could be anything you want. You could be any kind of paladin you want. You could be any kind of cleric you want.

And you could say, okay, I worship—think of a—I worship the god of magic, but I worship the god of magic because I hate magic. Right. And so I'm in my traits or in my flaws or in my goals, I'm going to tie myself to the world that way. And then you're not restricted in playing a certain character in a certain way. But they didn't.

And you could say, okay, I worship—think of a—I worship the god of magic, but I worship the god of magic because I hate magic. Right. And so I'm in my traits or in my flaws or in my goals, I'm going to tie myself to the world that way. And then you're not restricted in playing a certain character in a certain way. But they didn't.

Yeah, absolutely. I know we agree. It's just a matter of where that weight belongs. What prickled at the back of my neck was that idea in the question of rogues having to choose a guild and a role as a way to get their subclass. Story-wise, in your campaign, absolutely do that. I just don't want that done in the base rules. I don't want to be a second story thief. Right.

Yeah, absolutely. I know we agree. It's just a matter of where that weight belongs. What prickled at the back of my neck was that idea in the question of rogues having to choose a guild and a role as a way to get their subclass. Story-wise, in your campaign, absolutely do that. I just don't want that done in the base rules. I don't want to be a second story thief. Right.

Or whatever that subclass is now.