Sebastian Mallaby

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195 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Apr 2026 last heard 3 Apr

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And they went ahead and sold to Google.
And they had a first meeting of the safety and ethics board in 2015 after the acquisition.
And in order to, like,
bind in the other people in the space.
They got Elon Musk to host the whole safety and ethics board at SpaceX.
They got Reid Hoffman to show up.
And you will notice that then these are the characters who either found OpenAI or funded in those two.
So Google wasn't best pleased.
As you can imagine.
But it's a dichotomy, right?
Dilemma.
Either you put people on the board who don't know what they're talking about and they're not interested in AI, or they do know about AI, in which case they want to go and do their own thing because it's too exciting not to.
Mm-hmm.
And a fundamental mistake that Demis made in his early conceptualization of how AI would be developed was this notion that there would be one single lab producing AI on behalf of all humanity.
And therefore it could be safe because there'd be no race dynamic.
And you could take your time in sort of red teaming the models before you release them.
And that's why he brought Musk into the tent.
That's why he brought Reid Hoffman into the tent, precisely because he thought we could all be one team together.
And so then what happened after, to answer your question, Casey, so what happened after was that having lost that first experiment,
in setting up a safety and ethics oversight board.
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