Sebastien Lai

I don't know.

You know, I've been campaigning on his behalf for the last few years.

And when you do these things, you just have to be hopeful.

But yeah, it's very distressing.

Because I just don't know when it is that I'm going to get a text to tell me that something bad has happened to him.

But until then, I'll keep fighting until he's freed.

Yeah, it's to put pressure on both Hong Kong and China.

And the thing is, there's no...

There's no upside for China to keep him in there anymore.

And if the idea of China is this place, as they would say themselves, of quote-unquote stability, of being a superpower, well, torturing a 78-year-old man, it's counter to what they hope to achieve.

Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people think.

But this idea of using my father's case as a deterrent, I mean, the effect has already been done, essentially.

He's already been there for five years.

They've already destroyed his health.

They've already taken everything away from him.

All they're doing now is making him into a martyr.

There's no point in him dying.

And I think if we look at my father's story,

A man who's given so much for freedom, I think he deserves some freedom himself.

Look, I can't predict the future, right?