Selah Hirsch

And sometimes it's holding space, staying the course, trusting the game plan. Other times it's probably not being afraid to take the risk. I think that's something I've watched you do is once you've acknowledged that you need to make a pivot or a change, you're like, let's go. Let's jump here.

And sometimes it's holding space, staying the course, trusting the game plan. Other times it's probably not being afraid to take the risk. I think that's something I've watched you do is once you've acknowledged that you need to make a pivot or a change, you're like, let's go. Let's jump here.

And this is what I love that you brought out in your TEDx talk, is that you are not afraid to be vulnerable and realize that what is the success I'm chasing? And identifying it, is it actually the success that defines me? Am I defining it? Or am I letting status and the perceptions of society and what I think I should be doing and the expectations of others really model that success?

And this is what I love that you brought out in your TEDx talk, is that you are not afraid to be vulnerable and realize that what is the success I'm chasing? And identifying it, is it actually the success that defines me? Am I defining it? Or am I letting status and the perceptions of society and what I think I should be doing and the expectations of others really model that success?

And at the end of the day, that is the unfulfilled life that you're talking about. I love this quote that you said. I listened so many times to your talk, but I got to tell you, the quote that you talked about, the everyday millions of people go to jobs that they hate and pursue the goals that they didn't choose because that's what they thought that they were supposed to do, I think rings so well.

And at the end of the day, that is the unfulfilled life that you're talking about. I love this quote that you said. I listened so many times to your talk, but I got to tell you, the quote that you talked about, the everyday millions of people go to jobs that they hate and pursue the goals that they didn't choose because that's what they thought that they were supposed to do, I think rings so well.

True, because all of us can relate to that in one way or another. We can be so caught up drinking our own Kool-Aid or what we feel like our social media feed has fed us or what we see the success of another business owner or another colleague doing that we can realize we are chasing shiny objects all day long. And at the end of the day, we're going to fall off a cliff.

True, because all of us can relate to that in one way or another. We can be so caught up drinking our own Kool-Aid or what we feel like our social media feed has fed us or what we see the success of another business owner or another colleague doing that we can realize we are chasing shiny objects all day long. And at the end of the day, we're going to fall off a cliff.

We've got to learn to do this better and do this right. I love how your story holds the space for both the ambition and the honesty to define success at a more authentic point.

We've got to learn to do this better and do this right. I love how your story holds the space for both the ambition and the honesty to define success at a more authentic point.

I love it. I just let you go.

I love it. I just let you go.

Well, I think that – let's unpack that for a second further because you talked about that in your TED Talk with that first point you brought up, which was reframing fear as the catalyst for action. And I think that that's what you're talking about here is you're realizing that we've got to strip back to our core what is driving us and reframing success.

Well, I think that – let's unpack that for a second further because you talked about that in your TED Talk with that first point you brought up, which was reframing fear as the catalyst for action. And I think that that's what you're talking about here is you're realizing that we've got to strip back to our core what is driving us and reframing success.

I think the analogy that you shared, the story you just shared with your sons in baseball is a great example because, again, we're looking at success through the lens of – all the other factors in our lives that are telling us what the measure is. But that measure is such a fake. It's such a trap.

I think the analogy that you shared, the story you just shared with your sons in baseball is a great example because, again, we're looking at success through the lens of – all the other factors in our lives that are telling us what the measure is. But that measure is such a fake. It's such a trap.

And I think that that is why I love when we were working on your talk and you were like, Selah, I've got this idea of the status trap. And there's just such a word. That's a gripping thought. I've asked myself, where have I been trapped in my life? I'm like a person who would be afraid to be trapped in something. I'm the person who likes the...

And I think that that is why I love when we were working on your talk and you were like, Selah, I've got this idea of the status trap. And there's just such a word. That's a gripping thought. I've asked myself, where have I been trapped in my life? I'm like a person who would be afraid to be trapped in something. I'm the person who likes the...

The aisle seat on the airplane, I'm like, I don't want to be next to the window and not able to jump out and get something when I want to and need to. I don't want to be reliant on somebody. I don't want to be stuck in an elevator. I don't want to be stuck with slow drivers. In fact, it's so funny. I got to tell you, the other day I was driving my kids to school.

The aisle seat on the airplane, I'm like, I don't want to be next to the window and not able to jump out and get something when I want to and need to. I don't want to be reliant on somebody. I don't want to be stuck in an elevator. I don't want to be stuck with slow drivers. In fact, it's so funny. I got to tell you, the other day I was driving my kids to school.