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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Frontline scammers like Schweib, they're managed by their team leaders, who are their direct bosses.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Then they have to report up to managers, who in turn report to the head of a department.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Then there's an HR department which handles recruitment, PR division that handles ads.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Those are just the departments inside the compound itself.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Outside, there's a whole infrastructure to protect and serve the criminal enterprise.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

There are drivers who bring migrants like Schweib over to the compound.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Fruit vendors and drink sellers who move to the streets around the compounds, hoping to cash in.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

There are the security guards who keep watch.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And then the land itself, that is owned and controlled by tycoons close to the Cambodian government.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

They profit off the compounds on their land.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

My sources on the ground, they told me that it's the landlords who maintain a relationship with the police, who tip them off to raids, and who keep them protected.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

In July of 2025, about five months after Schweib arrived in the scam compound, Thailand started attacking Cambodia.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

The two countries do have longstanding border disputes.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But later, Thai officials claimed they were targeting centers of human trafficking and the scam industry itself.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Thais on social media even coined a new term, Scambodia.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But Cambodia said Thailand's claim that it was waging a war against this, quote, scam army was just a pretext to gain control of their territory.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Tensions have continued to simmer, though there's a tentative peace deal now.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Though Shoaib was far from Thailand, his bosses were getting nervous.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Because these clashes near the border prompted Cambodia to announce they were cracking down on the industry.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So Shoaib's bosses started shifting him and the other workers around, moving them to new, more isolated compounds.