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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And month after month, his wages were whittled down to almost nothing.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Schwab worked at night from 10 p.m.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

to 10 a.m.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

It was a nocturnal schedule because of the time zones.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He said the bosses regulated how long he could talk on the phone.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Sometimes they took his phone away and gave it back only for a few hours.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And they told him he had to keep his phone calls short.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Just quickly check in with your family, but don't tell them anything about what you do.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But if you called your family and told them, like, hey, something is wrong?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So you didn't tell anybody anything?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

The guilt ate away at tribes slowly.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

When he'd left Kampala, he brought a Quran with him.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But rather than just praying for himself and his escape, when he said his daily prayers, he started praying that the clients who withdrew their profits wouldn't come back.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But Schreib said that he gradually came to think it wasn't just the killers who were greedy.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He believed the clients themselves were also pulled in by greed.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Because they should have known.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

The arrangement?

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So when we say scam company, the word company, it's entirely apt.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

You can't think of these as sort of scrappy little criminal enterprises or mafia in the jungle.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

They're run like a business.