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Shabani Matani

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Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And he said everyone knew what happened there.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

That was where they'd bring in people who did not comply, who tried to escape, who tried to contact NGOs and rescuers, who tipped off clients to this being a scam.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And it's been well documented over the years in NGO reports and U.S.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

government reports.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Shuaib thought he still had his original return ticket, which was for a month after his arrival on that month-long tourist visa.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But then someone in the compound told him, just forget about that.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

If you don't finish your contract, you'll owe the bosses about $4,000.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He felt trapped.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Every day he worried about quotas.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

He'd pray to God for clients.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

If they didn't get clients, they'd have to work longer hours, or his monthly salary would be deducted.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Bosses, they deducted money for everything.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

They called them fines.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

I'd heard from people who worked in other compounds that there were fines for being on the phone for too long, for briefly clicking out of the scam chat window during their 12-hour workday.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

One rescuer told me that someone she helped was fined because they wanted to sit close to a window.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Schwab was often fined for not getting enough clients.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

And there were daily expenses to account for, too.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

Schwab is Muslim, and he doesn't eat pork.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

But the cafeteria often served pork.

Up First from NPR
Caught in Cambodia’s Scam Machine: Part 1

So he went to the company-run supermarket to buy snacks.