Shaka Senghor

You know, we should all keep that kid.

Yeah.

I mean, life forces you to get hard in a certain way.

And I'm sure your life forced you to get hard in a way that most people can't comprehend.

But the fact that you can hang on to that childlike joy of things.

Yeah, the system is just set up to punish.

They're set up to just lock people up so they're off the streets and so other people don't have to deal with them.

But they are, like you said, they are going to get out, most of them.

And they're not going to be rehabilitated and oftentimes they're hardened and it's oftentimes even worse.

And there's so little effort put into how to fix things.

How do you make it better?

What do you do that you can help these people contribute and you can have them come out of jail actually a better person?

Yeah, they're in prison too.

They just can leave at night.

All day.

Yeah.

It's a different kind of prison because they're in control and they can quit.

But a lot of them, they're probably imprisoned by their bills, too.

So they can't quit.

Absolutely.