Sharleen Joynt

And we didn't want to like force him to be more public than he felt comfortable.

And now it has just become a thing.

I think I took the whole thing maybe too sincerely because the way I saw it was like, this is a guy I would totally hook up with.

He was fun, he was hot, and there was really good chemistry.

But then you go in the ITM room and they're like, so are you excited to introduce Juan Pablo to your parents as a potential future husband?

And I was like, eh.

I wasn't able to keep a straight face through those conversations, and that didn't really translate.

There came a point where it was like, well, then what are you doing?

I appreciate you saying that.

I do think that the culture around even that show has shifted so much because now that's seen as a power move.

But at the time, a lot of people were like,

get off my TV then.

If you don't love that he has a daughter, which I wasn't 100% all in on that, and people were like, then why did you sign up for this season, that sort of thing.

Yes, it was a very mixed response.

There was a lot of like, yeah, feminism, and then there was like, ugh, get off the screen.

awesome idea I completely agree also the barrier to entry being like you need to know usually like that's something you're like researching you know about and also the cover like in our case there was a cover and but don't ask about his business no just has to be able to afford it with no source of income well it was $50 okay wow yeah it wasn't $50 to go to the willy yeah yeah you don't know the cost of living in Manhattan did it include a drink ticket

Was it Firestone?

Yes.

I thought it was Firestone.

But the original Bachelor, I think, like vanished.